When did I talk about you specifically? I was talking about who would logically be a part of the Mystic Council not whether you are a member of it or not and I certainly didn't say that you spoke for the Mystic Council or that you're a member of it or not. I might have suggested that you are more likely to be on it then not since you are a Full Mystic but that is all I remember saying.

No, I have no idea what Aravir was referring to. He sites two huge blocks of text, which include tens of thousands of words, and opinions and points of view from many, many different exiles. Further, his reference clearly contains a considerable subjective judgment which I fail to follow or understand, and which he refuses to explain.

Perhaps Aravir was referring to the opinions of the Full Mystics contained within these discussions. I can't say this for certain but it's what I believed him to have meant. I'm sure Aravir will correct me if I'm wrong or agree with me if I'm right.

A force to be regarded with the utmost suspicion and dealt with (if at all) only with the greatest of caution?

Very little surprises me anymore and despite these risks, the Mystic Council will still attempt to make an honest deal with them. Back where I come from, we didn't deal with people like the Brions because it often lead to disaster and ruin. Oh well, it seems to be a lesson that often needs to be learned.

You are incorrect: Aravir specifically called me narrow-minded (despite your assumption to the contrary) I invited and entreated him to explain himself and to educate me in such areas he felt I was lacking. He refused. Further more, I offer you the same, explain what it is you think I've missed, explain how you interpreted my words, I invite and entreat you also to educate me. And so I have answered this challenge twice.

He actually called you narrow-minded after I posted my initial reply, if I recall correctly.

I find this whole exercise tedious which is probably what your goal was from the start. You take comments directed to the Mystic Council or the Mystic Guild as personal attacks against yourself then you respond by asking where you said such a thing even though you weren't mentioned intially in many of these sub-threads thus turning the argument into one concerning you. Then when we tell you that it wasn't what you said specifically but what all of the Full Mystics said, you try to suggest that the original comments were bogus because we can't provide you with any evidence to back-up what we assumed you said or meant when we really didn't mean you specifically. After all, if a comment is made about the Mystic Council and you're not a spokesman for them then why take the comment so personally?

So here it is, this is what you've been missing.

If the scribe you employ to collect and format pages for you, performs differently than the scribe I employ, that is hardly my responsibility.

Uhm, excuse me? I clicked on the link you gave me so if you can't give the right link then don't say it's my problem of not clicking it correctly. Still, I found the post where Ruen explains the Unregistered post as being her on another page.

And as for the message in question: Ruen later admitted to making an "unregistered" post, and like you I assume the one I referred to was hers, but I do not know for sure. In the post to which I referred, the author spoke at length in the "OOC" language our host (Aravir) dislikes so much. I responded in kind, attempting to explain to the author why the Guild appears as it does to outside eyes. In said post of mine, I offered a modern interpretation of the writings of the Ancients on the subject. "Unregistered" made a later response to Aravir himself, and to Luminary. Later still Ruen spoke, and made reference to my original post, but pretended not to understand the material I said in the "OOC" language. If the "unregistered" author was indeed Ruen, then it was hypocritical of her to begin her address in that "OOC" language, and then later pretend not to understand it. Ruen (if it was indeed her) questioned the underlying structure of the Guild. I attempted to explain, to address her concerns, her "attacks." She then pretended she was incapable of understanding the explanation.

It's possible you could be confusing one of your own many unregistered posts since you made a great many of them. There were a few other unregistered people too but you can't assume that every one of them was from Ruen and you also can't assume Ruen was pretending to not understand your OOC part. It's possible to talk OOC but not understand the OOC talk of someone else and still be completely honest. It's possible for you to make what seems a perfectly reasonable statement and yet have others not understand what you said and ask for clarification without lying about it. It's possible for someone to understand what you say and yet still have issues with some aspects you might not have thought about or still disagree with it entirely. Why do you assume that Ruen was pretending to not understand?

Be that as it may, Ruen's first unregistered post was just below this one where she said the previous post was hers.

http://www.windsofdawn.org/forum/showthread.html?s=&postid=13133#post13133

I have answered this, think what you like, you remain however, incorrect. Further more, you have not answered the question, either the context, or the subtext thereof. "What is my opinion?" You seem quite sure of yourself, I am curious as to what you believe.

What is your opinion of what? Well, maybe that doesn't matter anymore.

Whatever we say, your opinion is that either we're wrong or we don't have all of the facts or you try to obscure the conversation so much that we forget what our original point was.

Your opinion is that we're always talking about you personally when we refer to the collective Mystic Council even though we don't know who's on it and my assumption that Full Mystics are on it is wrong.

This isn't even really about the Brions anymore, because your opinion on that seems to be that despite the dangers of dealing with them the potential rewards outweighs them.