Note: This whole controversy, currently in a backwater of the "911 Truth Movement" stream of controversies, exemplifies the difficulties in parsing out what happened, who the players are, what the overall goals of the elite conspirators might be, etc. If we are to have any hope of bringing healing to the world situation now, we need to proceed with open hearts, open minds, and great lashings of equanimity into the thicket of lies and disinfo. When I see the qualities of negative emotions and judgement in myself as I absorb language represented as information or sincere analysis, I need to take a step back, see my tendencies to attachement to any pet views or theories, and once again accept that I don't know very much. It's quite interesting that "Richard Grove" presents so much deep background to the events of 911 in his material - begging questions of just how bald-faced the elite disinformation agents are - do they traffic in real information about the long-term planning and actions of corpo-fascist interests in order to sew key disruptive ideas into the mix? Do they believe that feeding the small percentage of "truth seekers" that have the stomach and patience to try to parse deeper truths, the occult and troubling deep background, will divide them from the masses who barely accept that the official story of 911 is a fabric of lies, and believe that many theories of what happened around those events are totally crackpot, divisive, unnecessesary, etc., or that the details of 911 detract from understanding the Big Picture so we can take "responsible political action?"

Do "they" want to keep us all tied up in our egos, hotly debating "reality based theories," until it's too late, as it was for Bilbo's trolls arguing till the sun came up and turned them to stone? I strongly suspect that the ultimate key to awakening from the ongoing nightmare IS simply to wake up, each of us, to the nature of and unhappiness endemic to our own personal egoic tendencies, and the clear, simple consciousness that the ego structure covers up. - Bruce
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Richard Grove in 24 Carat Disinformation Fiasco

Following the expose of Deborah S Simon as the link between the billionaire Zionist perpetrators of 9/11 and disinformation agents such as Tom Flocco, Karl Schwarz and Phil Jayhan, the crooked cabal have been attempting to regroup with an alternative team of shills. These rather more articulate propagandists operate under names such as Richard Andrew Grove, Eric Andrew Blair and 8thEstate; their task is to carry on the work of Flocco and Co in distracting truth seekers with false 9/11 news and conspiracy theories. In comparison with these absurd theories, the "suicide hijacking pilots" tale appears eminently reasonable. There is not a scrap of evidence to support the former. The latter at least had the advantage of planted passports, FBI statements, fabricated videos and a compliant media - albeit requiring some ad hoc temporary revisions of the laws of physics such as Fourier's Law of heat conduction.

The Grove team's specious nonsense is infesting internet chat rooms, and in order to save any further time-wasting it is better to nip this in the bud without further ado.

One of the central planks of Grove's thesis is that gold bricks to the value of hundreds of billions of dollars were stolen from beneath the World Trade Center, before the Towers collapsed. The audio clearly states "billions" as opposed to "millions", so this is not an error in the transcripts. Grove - a self-styled "whistleblower" - claims that the events at the top of the Towers were a diversion to deflect attention from events at or below ground level. Let's be generous to his theory and take the 2006 price of gold at some $600 per troy ounce - it was more like $300 in 2001. A troy ounce is nearly 10% greater than an avoirdupois ounce. There are about 14.583 troy ounces per avoirdupois pound, so $600 x 14.583 x 2,000 ~ $17,500,000 per short ton. Hence, 10,000 tons of gold would be worth $175,000,000,000 which might just qualify as "hundreds of billions of dollars". Incidentally, this is more than the entire US gold reserves at around 8,133 tonnes or 8,965 tons. The WTC vaults were hardly likely to have contained more gold than Fort Knox.

Even if we allow the longer time of 102 minutes for the WTC 1 collapse, and suppose that only 100 trucks were employed to "liberate" the gold with each carrying as much as 100 tons, then each of these very large trucks would have a mere sixty-one seconds in order to maneuver into place and to be loaded with its 100 tons of gold (we'll ignore the unladen weight). Assuming 16 seconds to position each large truck, there is 45 seconds available for each loading. We'll suppose that ten forklift trucks can each carry as much as ten tons of gold, and their movements are synchronised such that each crashes into a large truck (hopefully instantly dislodging the gold and container) at 0, 5, 10, ... 40 and 45 seconds past each minute. The time available to load each forklift is much less than sixty seconds.

Let's suppose each human loader can lift 80 pounds of gold at a time and place it onto the forklift in only three seconds, and return for the next load in another second. Hence, 20,000 / 80 = 250 such cycles are required per forklift per 61 second larger cycle. If we allow 40 to 44 seconds for loading each forklift, then each human loader can place ten 80 pound loads over 40 seconds, so 25 human loaders might suffice per forklift. So there are 100 truck drivers, 10 forklift operators, and 250 Arnold Schwarzenegger types required as part of the conspiracy, all to be paid and/or silenced! Admittedly, some of the manual loaders and forklift operators would be "eliminated" in the collapse. Even this bizarre scenario assumes they all manage to dodge the explosions in the basement, whether bombs or kerosene deflagrations. And amazingly, Richard Grove was the only person to observe this record heist.

Actually, in links provided by Richard Grove (scroll down to reply #26 by 8thEstate), the figures quoted for the gold and silver stored in the WTC vaults do not exceed $650 million, apart from a rumoured figure of $160 billion originating from the New York Daily News and quoted in the Sierra Times (also at Rumour Mill News and in the Loose Change video). Any competent analyst would see that the "hundreds of billions of dollars" (particularly with regard to a robbery) is untenable. The "robbers" might have had a slim chance of getting away with tens of millions of dollars worth of gold and silver, but it would not justify going to all the trouble of crashing planes into two skyscrapers. And Dov Zakheim had already got his hands on the Pentagon's $2.3 trillion ($2.6 trillion in later reports) as early as September 10, 2001. A trillion-dollar crime syndicate that has just pulled off the greatest robbery in history has no need to blow up buildings after they have the loot. The Bush administration's complicity in crashing a UAV into the Pentagon's west wing, together with Israel's submarines equipped with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles with a 900-mile range and its spy-ring's gathering of secrets with which to blackmail politicians, provided Israel with the necessary leverage that would force the US authorities to cover for Netanyahu / Zakheim's Pentagon embezzlement and Netanyahu / Zakheim / Silverstein's WTC controlled demolition $3+ billion insurance scam. Grove and his handlers hoped that no one would spot their deliberate "error" of confusing millions with billions.

Risk and insurance companies were victims, not perpetrators, of 9/11. Marsh suffered a terrible human cost with over 300 personnel killed, and a search for "Marsh" at this page shows that dozens of the victims were vice presidents. There is absolutely no evidence to link Kroll Associates to the WTC demolition, the London 7/7 bombings and the London 7/21 detonators stunt - no means, motive or opportunity. The myths about AIG involvement can be traced back to the usual suspects such as Tom Flocco, Karl Schwarz, Tom Heneghan, and Stew Webb. Sure, some companies rip others off, but that is not news. Grove's hypothesis is even worse than the misguided "Bush demolished the WTC" theories. Grove has Kroll Associates going to all the trouble to get past Larry Silverstein's security, somehow managing to smuggle thermite powder, RDX and drills into the Towers, only to furnish Silverstein with billions of dollars of insurance money. As for the Asian tsunami being "man-made", that would have required a thermonuclear explosion in the order of hundreds of megatons of TNT, ten thousand times greater than the 1945 Hiroshima bomb and greater than any hydrogen bomb exploded as of 2006.

On the one hand, Grove is supposed to be a hyper intelligent expert in cutting edge software, data analysis and high finance, and a super salesman to boot. On the other hand, (if he is not a knave) he is so innumerate that he confuses millions with billions, and so devoid of analytical and critical thinking skills that he is taken in by every hare-brained conspiracy theory under the sun. In his Eric Andrew Blair / 8thEstate guise he peddles bunkum such as "the Jesuits control George H W (Poppy) Bush and the Pope", along with mumbo jumbo such as "astrotheology" and shamanism, and promoting the use of cannabis whilst in the same breath warning against bio-warfare and "mind control". It is instructive to peruse 8thEstate's Amazon Books wish list - most of the books are on crackpot conspiracy theories or unscientific "holistic" theories of reality that are notable for their ability to obfuscate and confuse the unwary. Grove is hawked by the Meria Heller show which also promotes the likes of Stanley Hilton, David Icke, Matthew Rothschild, Karl Schwarz, and Webster Tarpley. Some of these people consistently mislead truth seekers with wild assertions and ludicrous conspiracy theories that are less credible than the al Qaeda hijackers account of 9/11. Others  employ more reasonable diversion tactics. What they have in common is their failure to mention Israel's involvement, which is rather like failing to notice an elephant in the room.

One of Grove's documents shows that he was using a New York apartment in August 2001. More recently, the Grove team have been linked to a Connecticut address. Deborah Simon's team was also Connecticut-based, and it is quite possible that Grove was financed with Simon money.

Grove is correct in his recognition that 9/11 was a crime that netted hundreds of billions of dollars. Of course, he studiously avoids Larry Silverstein and Frank Lowy's takeover of the WTC lease and $3 to $7 billion insurance policies a mere six weeks prior to 9/11, or Rabbi Dov Zakheim's role at the Pentagon and as CEO of a company that made transceivers for the remote control of airplanes, or the dancing "high fives" Mossad agents who were arrested within hours of the WTC collapses, or the Arab patsies being seen on Jack Abramoff's gambling boats, or the Zim Shipping company inexplicably breaking its lease to move out of the WTC just one week before 9/11 and then moving back to New York months later, or the Odigo and Goldman Sachs advance warnings of attacks, or Silverstein conveniently having a "dermatologist's appointment" on the morning of 9/11 rather than taking his customary breakfast at the Windows on the World restaurant at the top of the North Tower. And Grove fails to mention Israel and Zionism's history of terrorism and false flag attacks such as the King David hotel (1946), the Lavon Affair (1954), the USS Liberty (1967), Operation Trojan in Tripoli (1986), Oklahoma City (1995), etc. These omissions demonstrate who he is working for.

Silverstein would have kept a percentage of the $3+ billion insurance proceeds and sent some money on to Israel. The true value of 9/11 was in providing a pretext for the US and other countries to spend hundreds of billions of dollars and sacrifice thousands of their own servicemen on immoral, unjustified wars on a false prospectus, in order to loot and neuter Israel's enemies and install puppet Zionist-controlled regimes. And by the time Rumsfeld announced on September 10th 2001 that $2.3 trillion of Pentagon transactions could not be tracked, Dov Zakheim had probably already transferred much of it to a Bank Leumi dollar-denominated account.

Grove concludes that Marsh, AIG and Kroll did 9/11, and Kroll carried out the London 7/7 and 7/21 attacks. His "evidence" for this consists of some correspondence between him and the IRS regarding $1,555.49 that they say he owes them, and his communications with the Department of Labor concerning his attempt to gain compensation from Legato Systems who sacked him after seven months as a named Account Manager. It is possible that Richard Grove is entitled to keep the $1,555.49, and he may have uncovered some sharp business practices. However, to leap from this to his thesis regarding Marsh, AIG and Kroll as professional terrorists involves massive non sequiturs or cases of post hoc ergo propter hoc, and even then his position is unsustainable - even if we forget the claims about the gold. Anyone can claim to have unique knowledge as a result of inside information, or an alien abduction, or revelations from a deity, or because they are the new Messiah. This was the Grove team's technique for promoting a third-rate left gatekeeper disinformation site, which misleads people into thinking that 9/11 was nothing to do with Israel and dual citizenship Zionists, and the culprits were Bush and big business.

Time and time again, the disinformation spin doctors rely on the fact that most folk will not bother to do the calculations or check out the feasibility of the claims. The Grove team are either knaves, fools, or both. Their unsubstantiated assertions are nearly all false, with a few morsels of half-truths and scraps of cheap confessions tossed into the heap. The person reading the script need not be the sharpest blade in the drawer, but the scriptwriters are clearly inveterate deceivers.

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Revised September 16, 2006

There is growing evidence that Eric Hufschmid is a COINTELPRO agent, working for Rupert Murdoch and / or the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). The ADL has been particularly irked by the superb reporting of Christopher Bollyn, who has written many excellent articles for the newspaper American Free Press based on his investigations of Israel's complicity in 9/11. Events such as the Sam Danner "Global Hawk hit Pentagon" story (which was subsequently retracted), Hufschmid's bizarre claims that American Free Press had been "infiltrated by Zionists", and the Tasering and arrest of Bollyn by Hoffman Estates police department, were all part of an operation to create a rift between Bollyn and American Free Press.

Although it is clear that Richard Grove is a Zionist shill, based on his very specific lies about being a "whistleblower" who witnessed a massive gold heist and his ridiculous claims that Marsh and Kroll Associates did 9/11 and London 7/7 (with no explanation as to how the criminals managed to prevent a media expose if they did not already control the mass media), the evidence for some of the other names listed above is circumstantial. The now discredited Eric Hufschmid is one source who claims that these other people are disinformation agents. To some extent, a failure to focus on Zionist involvement could derive from the natural diversity amongst individuals who are all investigating a tremendous wealth of information, with alternative approaches leading to a range of incompatible conclusions. However, if some folk are failing to spot the "elephant in the room", it shows that the brainwashing and mind control division of the criminal network has achieved excellent results. Following claims such as "Barbara Olson arrested" and "Bush and Cheney indicted", Tom Flocco is a proven shill. The evidence against the others is inconclusive; they should be regarded with some suspicion, but could be genuine truth seekers whose psyche has been compromised.

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