Like your thesis Steve, makes sense. Only 'comment' ( if I may ) :-), I think it is important to keep things as down to earth as possible, and leave what truly *is conjecture and 'ga ga' out of it. ICKE, though of course he's a good guy, is 'left field' half the time. I don't even like the term 'Iluminati', just the term is already getting to sound 'ga ga', for the average person. The case needs to be presented in clear, concrete, sane terms IMO. I like simply "NWO" better. Most people can relate, and it's a term that's more or less been established even in the mainstream. Kissinger even has written articles in the newspaper about the "New World Order" ( of course it's all good ;-) ). I don't like the term 'Elite" either, cause there is nothing 'elite' about these utter lower life forms, that make a catfish something one must strain with all their might looking straight up, to catch the barest glimpse of. Simply "NWO". ( I jokingly call it 'Them International Inc.' ), ;-) But seriously.... let's leave out the reptiles, the aliens.... just stick to the hard stuff. Stuff that could be presented in a court, and logical deductions from facts. Not that there is a 'Court' anywhere, to be able to present anything of course - even if there was enough documentation to go to the moon and back. But to try and get the case together to present to the public, to the people. To the Humans out here. Pretend it has to be presented in court. Are we going to bring 'Reptile Theory' into a court? I have a friend who really hasn't bought anything I've been telling him - until just recently, when he heard a caller call in to NPR about Ewen Cameron and the FMSF, etc. And the radio person, listening to it all, simply agreed that it was all correct. My friend had to have NPR approval, regardless of what was laid in his face - for years! ( mainstream media 'credibility' hurdle is a problem. That may be a good place to attack first ( "Mockingbird" ) )

Just a note. I agree with everything you said! ( Maybe R. Grove is all-right ) ( perhaps it's some of the websites he has posted on, that has bothered me ).

I have speculated about the possible 'controlled weather', and 'natural disasters'.

Indonesia:

Coincidence #

1. Where they found that 'little man' ( the new species of human ) awhile back, which there was tons of cover up and clandestine operations surrounding. ( Just like there was in Malta, surrounding some 'peculiar skulls' earlier ( see "Underworld" - Graham Hancock )

2. In "Lost Civilization" theory, there has been ample reason to consider the undersea area between there and China to be perhaps a good location for the Antiluvian Civilization, which we now have empirical evidence for ( though, of course our mainstream 'science news' sources have not reported on it anymore than they have on the reality of 9/11 )

3. Right before that disaster happened, there were *plethoras of the highest level expert scientists, doing work underwater, around that area with the highest tech science equipment, supposedly doing research on "underwater trenches and plate shifting hotspots and what not.

4. Recently, there was a huge fire there that drove out all the apes etc, that were being shot and killed on the spot.

There's something "pecuuuuliar" going on in Indonesia ( speculation, not for a 'court case' :-) )

And also :-): Whatever weaponry. Tesla thingy, H.A.A.R.P., micro-chipping tech, anti-gravity tech, computer and A.I. tech, that we know about, from whatever sources - they got ten times more, they ain't telling us...that we don't get info about, from anywhere - period( that just stands to reason ). Consider the human trafficing, etc. This is just what has *surfaced. We can rest assured it's 10, maybe a hundred times worse. As *most of the stuff is *not going to surface at all(!) No?

Don't forget there's 25 *miles of secret archives stored away under the Vatican. God only knows *what 'secret knowledge' they may have accumlated. And don't forget evidence does suggest this has perhaps been going on for *thousands of years.

But let us not fill the gap of our ignorance in, by 'reaching', which is what most conspiracy writers do, and some of this tends to discredit the legit work they *have done. Or at least let's separate what is speculation, from what is solid.

Finally. Someone said something about an Israeli Submarine, shooting a missle? At what. The WTC?

Please... please

"Israeli this, Islamic that, and... Jewish whatever". Let's get all the 'ists' out of it. That just plays straight into the psy-ops artists hands, who can use prejudice, nationalism, and religion to get us off track and against each other "Divide and Conquer". Which is exactly what they are doing - FULL BLAST everywhere!

I don't really care about the Israeli guys jumping up and down, right after the towers were hit - "Ya hear me Martha, I just don't give a damm!"

CR